so according to the watchtower, jesus is not the mediator for the great crowd.
evidently jesus is only mediator for the anointed.
this means that about 99.9% of jehovahs witnesses cant say that jesus is their mediator.
Would it really matter folks, seriously, does it even matter.....
I'm not a Christian, so no it doesn't really matter to me. But if I were a Christian it certainly would matter. And if I was a JW, and I discovered the Christ is not my Mediator I would think it would most certainly matter. I'm not quite sure I understand the point you're trying to make.
so according to the watchtower, jesus is not the mediator for the great crowd.
evidently jesus is only mediator for the anointed.
this means that about 99.9% of jehovahs witnesses cant say that jesus is their mediator.
So according to the Watchtower, Jesus is NOT the Mediator for the Great Crowd. Evidently Jesus is only Mediator for the Anointed. This means that about 99.9% of Jehovah’s Witnesses can’t say that Jesus is their Mediator. Ironically it seems as though this is not common knowledge among JW’s.
So exactly who is the Mediator for the Great Crowd? How does the Watchtower handle this question? Have they ever actually given a direct answer to this question? I don’t have the WT cd, so I’m wondering what a JW would find if they “researched” this question.
my brother who attends meetings was at the hall when they were explaining the "generation" new lite.. he said he was stunned when a rumble went through the congo which he said sounded like "oh here we go again" and then laughing.. the brother sittig next to him said 'what next" and after the meeting a lot of people were mad that instead of leaving what they do not know they re-invented it.. elders were being surrounded by people asking them to explain it.. this happened a few weeks ago but there is also alot of anger at the "mentally diseased " comment made by the gb as people view it as an outright attack on family members.
i think i smell trouble.. he is not one who shuns and told the elders that until they show him where jesus said shun then he will continue to talk to me.. one elder told him that if he persists in talking to me then he could be brought before a committe to which he told him "it would be your funeral".
so me thinks they are truly in a panic!.
I'm in the middle of a Watchtower Publication study with a JW. When I innocently brought up the old light which is still in their "Bible Teach" book about the generation of 1914 not passing away, he immediately got uncomfortable and tried to change the subject. So despite the inability of a JW to openly question the changes in this doctrine, I suspect that this nonsense about "overlapping" has a few JW's realizing that something is not right.
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I’m in the middle of a Bible Watchtower Publication study with one of my relatives. I’ve never been a JW. He was born into the Cult. If someone was playing the role of an “interested” study with one of your JW relatives, what questions or issues would you hope they bring up to help wake them from their slumber? I don’t expect miracles from this encounter with my JW relative, so please leave any negativity out of this thread. I’m fully aware of the futility of trying to slowly help a JW come to the realization that they were born into a doomsday cult. I casually brought up the old light which is still in their “Bible Teach” book about the generation of 1914, and he immediately got uncomfortable and tried to change the subject. I plan on bringing up the “Mediator” issue with him, we’ll see how well that goes over. I already know that he believes that Jesus is his Mediator. So any suggestions on questions to ask? My relative has young children, so if I can play even a small part in preventing another “generation” from being sucked into the Watchtower Cult I will feel as though the time I spent on this study was more than worth it.
taken from the watchtower media website today:.
maybe im reading this wrong!!!.
http://www.jw-media.org/fra/20110630.htm.
if you are an elder or an ex-elder please add a comment.
i hope that the governing body will see this.
it is too bad it has to be on an anonymous forum.
I might have to send this letter around and see what kind of trouble I can stir up.
i'm new here and i wanted to introduce myself.
i am attending jw meetings for reasons that i will not, at this time, elaborate on, but i want to leave.
i have wanted to for awhile, for many reasons.
this is too funny, someone who is a former member of my old cult came our facebook page and talked about two witnesses coming to her door today.. http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_35429320847.
jocelyn zichtermanoh, the irony.
i know we are not supposed to talk about other groups here, but just real quick: two jw's just showed up at my door--haven't had this happen in a while.
The Watchtower certainly doesn't have a patent on spiritual abuse, many other groups have employed the same cult like tactics to destroy families and keep their followers captive. You were in the IFB? How long?
i heard i was "too interested in making money" and that i was letting "worldly pleasures" get in the way.. did you ever hear anything about your departure??
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I had a completely unfounded and nasty rumor started by my spouse’s family. How did we find out about it? One of my spouse’s siblings actually called us to express concern!!!!!! Maybe there is hope for that one sibling who actually cared enough to try and help instead of just gossiping about what happens to those that leave the cult's "spiritual protection". We quickly informed her that the rumor was 100% false, and we were in fact very happy and doing quite well. I imagine her cognitive dissonance must have increased a little after that conversation.
Which makes me wonder, is the starting of rumors by JW's about those that leave simply an expected byproduct of JW's trying to maintain a psychological balance between what they've been taught and actual reality? If a JW leaves the organization and doesn't become miserable out in the “world” it could be psychologically unsettling to those JW’s still trapped inside the group.
while some of you can bash the anointed as being attention getters:.
i knew someone in florida who was also of the anointed, supposedly.
she was very kind as well and very quiet and humble.
Are we talking about the same group of annointed that the Governing Body calls mentally deranged?
WT 8/11 "A number of factors-including past religious beliefs or even mental or emotional imbalance-might cause some to assume mistakenly that they have the heavenly calling."